Hate Canada: Is it normal?

"I totaly hate living in canada.I would rather move somewhere like the united states.It is one of the most boring places on earth I swear.All the men here seem to care about is hockey,beer,golf and weed.the weather here sucks you get 4 months of hot weather and for the rest of the year your freezing your ass off.The justice system here sucks to you could murder someone and get 10 years and be out in 5,commit a dozen armed robberies and get house arrest.At least in the u.s.a people get harsh prison sentences.The government here has no balls what so ever.they give into every whine made by the native people who get free housing.dont have to pay taxes,free dental,presciptions and university cause the white man stole their land 500 yrs ago.They are given millions which doesnt even go to their people in the first place it goes to the chiefs who go on lavish vacations,buy expensive veicles and so on while their people are living in poverty.Iam sorry to say but none of the white people that mistreated them are alive today so its time for them to get over it.The goverment here is just so fucked up and stupid to make any changes."



I am an Australian who is currently living in Toronto. What a horrible place to be. I am so sick of people asking, once they hear my accent, "what are you doing HERE?". For a country that supposedly has so much pride, that's a really odd question.

I am sick of driving on the roads, where people seem to be forever trying to compete, or prove some sort of point. I don't get it...we all need to get from point A to point B...let's help each other. I spent 1 year working in California, and despite the insane traffic, I've never come across more polite drivers, with common sense. Here, when you want to change lanes, people seem to get happy from making that impossible.

Thirdly, I find the people here to be overly racist. Especially against Americans. In my time in California, I never even heard Canada mentioned (let alone bashed). Here, almost every week at work, I'm hearing some sort of comment about "stupid Americans". I don't know, but I think comments like these reflect more on YOU than Americans. And let's assume they are stupid...let it speak for itself - you don't have to tell everyone and their uncle about it. 
Furthermore, if America is THAT bad, don't go across the border to shop. Tear down the McDonald's and all the American stores. Stop watching American shows. Stop listening to American music. Stop the famous people from MOVING to America.

People are quite rude - nobody smiles and nobody talks to anyone unless it's to complain. I used to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are having a bad day. But when 8 in 10 interactions are like this, I suppose it's just the culture to have a bad day.
I also agree with the "Canadian Experience" comments. What's wrong with actually embracing diversity (not just talking about embracing it)...what's wrong with not assuming that just because someone has an accent that they are incompentent. Australia is diverse and I think we integrate foreigners by supporting their strengths, as opposed to making them suffer for it. 

Everything IS expensive here, and only getting more expensive. Soon they will probably impose a tax for breathing.

I am glad I stumbled across these posts because for a while I was thinking something was wrong with me. But it's great to realise that I have become the way I am because I've been living in a toxic environment.



I too am glad I stumbled across this site. I agree with everything you said and I have experienced everything you have and I think 'toxic' describes it perfectly.



I agree with everything you said...all true statements. I m an American living in Canada (permanent resident) and I can attest to what you have said. Applying for jobs with a BA in criminal justice is all fine until you tell the employer where you are from...then end of conversation. The same with rentals...great until you advise them where your from...end of deal. American bashing is quite a pass time. All though the ones doing the bashing know nothing about America. Just a pass time for Canadians. (They are bored) Funny you wrote about "tax for breathing" I was just thinking that the other day. Funny. Your absolutely right...about everything. Canada likes to think it is the best country in the world...If that is so true why do so many Canadians go on vacation in other countries and shop in the US (?)



I moved to Canada three years ago after I married and moved from the USA, I hate it, especially the weather and its so expensive that I seriously will never go shopping here when they decide to actually get off their you know what and process my immigration papers which is a serious joke and takes forever over a year now already and I still cant work.
I live in Alberta and if you don't like rodeos, Calgary stampede and Hockey they think you are from another planet. I am married to a guy that thinks their is nothing else in the world than working himself to death, hockey and rodeos AND THATS IT !!! I long for a NORMAL life again. The winters here are about to drive me insane. I honestly don't get why anyone would live here on purpose. I feel like im going to shrivel up and die here UGGH



My wife and I (both Australians) spent a 2 week holiday in Ontario and Quebec.
It was without doubt the worst holiday I have ever had. 
The Canadian immigration and customs officials are paranoid and seem to think everyone is trying to illegally enter Canada, why the hell would a mature couple from Australia want to sneak into a aplace that is freezing cold and economicaly backward.
Toronto is a miserable boring place with little to recommend it.
The staff in the service industries are rude and unhelpful. 
The only place we felt comfortable was Quebec, where even though we could hardly speak french the locals, on realising we were tourists , went out of their way to help us.
Boy was I glad to board the plane for LA to thaw out and enjoy a genuine warm welcome from the ordinary american in the street!


So true. I live in canada but am too dumb to qualify for a green card.


Agree, therefore I transferred to Australia and completed my University degree there.



I completely agree with you. I lived in Northern Ontario and the situation there is even worse. There is a lot of racism and ignorance towards foreigners. Canadians are as cold as their weather. I hate it here even Toronto is boring, just saving money to run away from here. I regret to come here, boring Canadians, rude, racists, cold hearted, unfriendly. They are only good to say sorry, thanks, but not for deeper conversations or be friends. They don't know how to say hello like animals.



Sorry you got offended by some of the comments on this page but THE REALITY IS THAT CANADA IS A SHIT HOLE



Alberta is so racist. I was in Calgary with an Asian friend and they wouldn't let her into a club because they wouldn't accept her valid driver's license as ID. They wanted her passport! Who on earth carries around their passport as ID, when they have a driver's license!!
Toronto is also racist. They like to make a big deal out of "diversity awareness" but that's just on the surface. Behind people's backs, they still trash Black people and Indians, and treat those with accents VERY differently. I experienced this first-hand while working downtown in Toronto. 

I agree with idontgetit. It's not a "one-off prick" who is unfriendly...it's actually most people. If you have always lived in Canada, you probably won't understand, but other places are sooooo much more friendly and happy and courteous. 

And I find it amusing, AmbulanceAbby, that even YOU make negative implications about a city in Canada ("what is an Australian like yourself doing in Toronto anyways?"). So even you somewhat agree with what idontgetit has to say!
Canadians are so smart!



Canadians in general are just annoying, little hypocrites. Canada is one of the whitest nations on earth and we are racist under all the politically correct nonsense. I've wanted to leave my whole life-maybe one day



@idontgetit...this is a prime example of whats wrong with canada: bunch of racist, hypocritical, predatory, hateful, over-entitled pricks with no sense of shame about it.



you arent wrong in identifying the ethos in canada...it has gotten away far too long with the public fake mask it wants the world to see, but spend a little time here and the mask crumbles and you see what the people are really like. by "people" i mean white people since they are the ones who have created this environment.



News flash...Canada is not anymore beautiful than most other countries...you should get out more. There is more to life than Hockey.



The Aussie is correct. Its just that most canadians can't see themselves. Canadians are basically just boring americans.

No No Canadians are just Canadians...don't put them in the same sentence as Americans. Americans are a lot nicer people...



Dude your comment of "if you hate it so much leave" is ignorant as hell. Could you have thought of a less imaginative thing to say. I have lived in Canada my whole life and it is truly a shithole. No one talks to one another and are rude. The comment about being hell bent on trying to prevent people from changing lanes--true.

I blame it on our government in a way. Rules! Rules! More Rules! How many times as some nonsense rule gotten in the way of a perfectly enjoyable time or situation? Always! And that is why Canadians are always trying to enforce themselves on others...its bullshit. Seriously, why would I give a flip that someone wants to change lanes? I'll tell you why. Because the asshole Canadian who is trying to change lanes in front of you is trying to get one up on you. In most rational places in the world with an actual culture, people are focussed on other things but trying to prove that they are the rule makers, superior and in charge. Fuck off Canada, I wish I never met you.



The messed up thing is that immigrants come enter into this country poor as can be, and be funded and housed better than a lot of people born here. But, if by some chance you might be poor and you were born here and you want to leave ... well, how can you do it? Where can you go? This place is so messed up.



Do reconsider your phrasing of Canada being a 'beautiful' country when your compatriots are unable to appreciate the diversity of a multi-ethnic society. I know Canadians who are proud to call themselves 'pasty white guys' while travelling once a year to South East Asia. The hypocrisy is glaringly annoying, but totally normal (I suppose) to Canadians. I have completed two degrees in Canada, one on the east coast, one on the west coast, and a common experience is how narrow-minded Canadians are. I am from Denmark and a frequent response I get after introducing myself is 'Have you ever been to Copenhagen?' Maybe it is ignorance that makes one Canadian or does being Canadian make one ignorant? Or both? Perhaps you would not be so in 'awe' of what you call ignorance if you got out of your beloved comfort zone and embraced something different.

You yourself do not do justice to your own argument. You say Canada is a beautiful country, yet name only Albertans as the nicest and most down to earth. Hence that leaves me to wonder whether 'Canada' to you is represented only by Alberta and people from the rest of the provinces and territories, well, aren't 'nice'.



I HATE Canada and mostly Toronto> as a Canadian who just moved back here from the States...what a god-awful, ignorant, arrogant shit-hole. Had to come back here, 30%% cut in salary, 80%% increase in prices, paycheque is raped by taxes, and then take it up the ass again should you ever purchase anything. $50 liquor...give me F*** break, same bottle in the US is $19. Gave up a 3 bedroom ranch for $900 for a 2 bedrm house for $1500....CHRIST!
and if you more person says...well WE have universal healthcare...well i hope you enjoy it when i put you in a hostipal bed...hell move over, as much as i have to pay, I deserve that bed...nice though you have to be sick and hospitalized to see how wonderful it is.Car insurance is ridiclous and so is parking..traffic horrible. I have yet to ONE person at a store say hello, or thank you...guess they are just as miserable at being fucked over as everyone else. I much rather move back to the States and be illegal than live in this miserable hell hole



yeah, an illegal immigrant lives in better conditions in the US than here in Canada the land of universal health care ...where RCMP go to Peru to get ayahuasca to drink and hopefully get some sanity into the pea size brain.


I meant an illegal immigrant lives better in the US than the average canadian tax payer citizen.



So true. I had all the same emotions when i had to come back here from the u.s. Canada really does suck in many "real" ways. A bunch if pretentious snobs in this country who cannot see themselves


You can buy Canadian beer at less cost in the states than you can buy in Canada.



Okay ...I'm coing with you ....where was your Rahcn? I'm moving my wide and daughters to Southern California as soon as we purchase a business there ...maybe look into it yourself :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-2_visa



As a person born and raised in Canada I have to agree with most of the Americans on here. When most people think of Canada they think of the Canada of the 50's and 60's which died long ago. Today Canada is the land of mediocrity. Everything is 40%% higher in cost than the U.S, salaries are only slightly higher at the very low end and then actually fall below the U.S. average for better jobs. Taxes are rediculously high compared to the services our government provides. Yea we have somewhat free health care (its not like everything is free) but it does not matter when the quality of it is so low and the waiting times are so rediculously long. I am positive that you would still be far better off financially paying monthly health insurance in the U.S. and saving absolutely absurd amounts on everything else. Plus, when you need health care you will actually get it, not 6 months later. Our architecture is bland and boring.

The weather also truly is a huge turn off. Yea I know we get all four seasons blah blah blah, but in reality we get 3 to 4 months of nice weather and then the rest of the year is gray, miserable and cold. I love how people here in Toronto like to say we have a similar climate to NYC, take a look at the real weather stats, we are nowhere close to that. Even in American cities like Chicago which has similar temperatures to Toronto, they average WAAAY more sunshine in the winter months then we do, which makes a huge difference. 

Everything here is controlled by the government and it is very difficult for somebody with entrepreneurial spirit who wants to break away from the pact to get ahead. I think someone said previously you can not even start a dairy farm and sell milk in Canada without paying huge amounts of money to the government first! Everything is a monopoly and controlled by only a few companies.

Worst of all, we have no national identity and truly do pride ourselves on what we are not instead of what we are. Did you know that they are even considering taking O Canada out of schools because it offends people!? what kind of true country would do this!!?



I just wanted to add that I'm sorry but I would rather take Liberty, justice and most importatly HAPPINESS in America over equality and whatever else we supposedly stand for in Canada.

Our news is very one sided and we are not allowed to get stations with a republican point of view here to balance it out and so we get a one sided view on everything. I am independent leaning slightly left when it comes to politics but it is awful how one sided out media is to liberal thinking. 

This is way so many Canadians have such a negative view of America. That and the fact that so many Canadians only trips to America involve Buffalo and Orlando. Go spend some significant time in a city in America that is the equivilant of yours in Canada and tell me it doesn't just have a better vibe and soul to it.



there are NO canadian cities that are the equivalent of american cities. the USA is better for so many reasons, including the american ethos that has nurtured people to have forthright characters, even when what they believe and propose is racist. at least in america, the racists have the courage of their convictions to be honest about it. in canada, canadian racists are slimy, trying to be closeted, corrupt, ignoble characters.



Another true observation. Canadians heads are all stuck in the grey clouds, literally and figuratively.



o canada ought to be demolished, actually. it IS offensive. thats one thing you forgot to mention on the growing list of what sucks about canada: the RACISM and the denial of it.



So agree... Living in Toronto for a year I have started thinking if I am too pessimistic. I waited for the summer just to get some sunlight and cheer up. No way. Canadians or at least Torontonians are the most unfriendly people I've ever met. Some rare exceptions exist, but the majority of friendly people is sth-Canadian or immigrants. The others are complete hypocrites. Cold souls. Trying to be politically correct while their whole face is criticizing you from tip to toe; For how you speak (oh, the accent!As if they have none, ha!) and how you dress and where do you come from and so on. Respect to diversity is a lie. There is no such thing as respect. They don't even like themselves (comparing ALL the time with US, Jesus!) how can they like others? There is no Canadian culture, no Canadian food. They live like machines, wake up go to job, eat dinner while watching TV. They are totally boring, ignorant, arrogant people who care more for their mortgage than for anything else in the world. Arrogance, particularly; They have no clue how the world is. They keep saying "if you don't like it here, then leave" without even trying to understand how it is for somebody to leave a place in war, or hunger, or any other crisis. So full of themselves. If people were able to stay where they where, believe me Canadians, they wouldn't even come here for a 1week vacation!! I spend a year of my life patiently trying to adjust but enough is enough. As for 'o canada' there are students that are not even permanent residents here, you nationalists of hockey and beer 'nation'! Your country's history is a bunch of discrimination and your promotion of a respectful and diverse nation is nothing but a lie. You just want to exploit immigrants, that 's how you survive. Looking forward to get out of here ASAP.



Man this is so true. I am a white male born here and you are correct. Pretty bad when immigrants from the 3rd world want to return. Too bad canadians are too dumb and or afraid to ever see themselves as as they really are. Americans who are not allowed to live in america for starters. Its really all the bullshit that the "i'm a special canadian" refuses to acknowledge. I call this place Stepford instead of canada a lot of the time.



You read my mind, i completely agree with you. Canadians are hypocrite racists, cold hearted who pretend to be welcome but they don't even know how to say hello. I hate it here, just saving money to run away and maybe go to US, at least when they are racists they are honest, here they are fake people



True. Racism is big here. Canadians live to pretend none of it exists though. Its a liberal thing.



So true. Canada depresses me because i see it for what it really is not what the govt etc would have me see.
Canadians are not big on principles of freedom (because thats too american after all)and sadly american citizens are losing theirs. The difference is americans one day will no longer take repeated sh@t from their gov't. Canadians on the other hand, don't stand up for themselves when raped by corps, gov't etc. repeatedly, again because that would be too "american" to the canadian mentality. I wish i had never lived in the u.s despite all its problems because canadians suck.



Living in Canada is outrageous, terrible governemnt, citizens that have no backbone to stand up to them, terrible selection of stores and restaurants, taxes, taxes and more taxes.
They just screwed us all on our supposed 'tax renovation credit', which ends up only helping the wealthy people, big surprise. 

The only reason people say they are happy living here is because they don't have the knoweldge or education to explore other countries, the US is superior is almost every way and as far as our health care goes, it is awful and I hope never to have to use it.
If only it were easier to move to the US, half the people here would be gone.
It time to admit it Canada, we are in need of a massive makeover, crumbling roads and a useless government are sinking this ship fast.


I just returned from a week trip there and I see what you mean. Awful place.....


As far as the origional post goes, Canada is not somthing to have pride in. Yes I love the people, my family and friends, its the piss poor Government, taxes, and this attitude where we think were free and the tax is needed and important. We pay compound interest to our private banks for the deficit, our elections are a farce, you cannot vote for prime minister seperate from local party, our damn money is even outsourced to Germany! Our currency is printed in Germany, I can imagine the WWII vets think of that.

I think that all of the western culture is backwards! The USA is definitely far better run, even with all of its problems. If we ever got attacked by another Country The Americans would have to protect us, its not rocket science. There is alot of stupid Americans, but there are alot of smart ones, greedy ones polite ones. Canadians think they have a moral high ground to the USA, but that is a blind and ignorant way to think. Either way you cannot class every person in a Country under one stereotype. 

I personally believe that Canada is a nice Idea but its days are numbered. This Country will fall apart, and hopefully the Americans will be understanding enough to take care of us when it happens.


I hope it falls apart soon. Lets get on with it.

Exactly, Canada is just USA's pet.



I am an Australian who is a permanent resident in Toronto, Canada. I have been here for 9 months. I can honestly say that I have NEVER lived in a DIRTIER and MORE MISERABLE city than Toronto. I just love your SLAVE wages, your RAPACIOUS TAXES and your glum never smiling people. One of my sons said yesterday "This is like North Korea - they have just not shut off the borders yet". Your immigration department should be sued for false advertising. This is NOTHING like what they represent it...NOTHING.

I especially love how your country gives points for skills to get here as an immigrant THEN refuses to let people use their skills when you get here. Nice trick that one! People are WASTING THEIR LIVES here - if you want to get ahead go to the USA or Australia - NOT this shit hole of a society. 

The people here are so polite....indeed so polite that they very often behave like DOOR MATS....and NEVER have the guts to make a fuss or tell you to your face what they really think. Just GUTLESS. 

Oh and I just love the "you aussies are so racsist compared to we Canadians". Yes, some aussies are racsist for sure BUT you note that we admit it and try to DO SOMETHING about it. Canadians on the other hand just pull out the old "no Canadian experience" card - which is totally racsist at its core : no where is as good as Canada . So you condemn people who could contribute to your society to WASTE their lives driving cabs or working in Tim Hortens.

Canada SUCKS BIG TIME. Sure - no question - its is incredibly beautiful and I even like the cold climate - but your government, society, media (ha CBC - what a joke - just an arm of government prpaganda!), diversity INDUSTRY, left wing do gooder ethos ALL SUCK.
I hate the place and am taking my family home ASAP. If I could go to the US by the way I certainly would - it is superior in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY to this DUMP.



Wow! I thought that I had written that in my sleep and didn't remember! It reflects everything I have been thinking. You are right - they have no GUTS. I came from Europe and I wanted to go to the USA originally, unfortunately I came here believing in the cleanliness, fresh air, wholesome (what a joke) outlook etc. I really regret the day I shelved my plans for going to the USA and came here instead. They are a spineless, ignorant, smug, preverted, racist bunch of people. I have been here for 17 years so I have had a lot of time to observe the average Canadian. Why do they hate Americans, Brits, Australians etc so much? Oh, I remember, it's because Canadians are losers in comparison! I plan to go back to Europe soon. I've been here for 17 years too long.



Yes, loualexnick, we ARE losers and let me tell you that the government makes sure that we constantly BRAINWASHED with the lie that we are the fairest, most 'progressive', kindest, zzzzzzzz (you get the picture) country since we were too young to know any better. This is the most horrible, deceitful, bland and ugly (especially architecturally) DUMP in the world. I'm openly and spitefully derisive with the people I know of most everything abouit this 'place' with my acquaintances even when met with that typical canuck denial reaction.
What's wrong with this shithole, you ask?

a. No culture. No community. Suspicious, antagonistic people. As a male, it is expected of me that I should know that any sexual interest I show a woman is construed as some form or harassment; as a result, I barely have dated as much as I wanted to. Try living your life being viewed as a predator by the opposite sex and see how you like it. I Hate it!!

b. Stupid governmental/business policies. A person will gain a trade or profession in good faith, doing what he's supposed to do and all by the book. But when he/she graduates, nobody, and I mean nobody will give him or her a chance to prove himself. I would have thought that a business or even a government would have created a glide path that would permit young people to use their expensively acquired skills to maximum benefit and as quickly after graduation as possible. Nope. What you get instead is requests for ooodles of experience, highly specialized skills that no one not in the industry could possibly have, and no training!! What kind of a stupid, ignorant country is this??? The next thing these assholes tell you is that you shouldn't feel 'entitled' to having a job, that one should profess an attitude of meek gratitude at even having the opportunity to make your employer even richer while putting food on the table. 

Any immigrants out there reading this should NOT come here, if you value your sanity, your health, and your professional future. By the way, any failure you may experience here, and you will experience a lot, will be attributed wholely to you. It will be all your fault and no one else's.

I'm in Costa Rica in 6 months...god I can't wait. God bless everyone. ciao!!



We canadians take it up the as@ on a daily basis by our "elected" govt and big business that is in bed with the gov't. Since canadians are a powerless bunch, we project our frustrations at ourselves on other countries, immigrants etc. I want out of here so bad, and it has become my life goal to move somewhere warm. As in warm people. The whole "canadians are so nice" thing only exists on the surface of canadians. We are a bitter bunch of 38 million.



When you leave canada...can i come with you? As in one way ticket out of here? Everything you say is true.



they are so two faced the cant say nothing to your face, just spew out crap behind your back and if you ask them a question they dont know they just cant say if they dont know the answer to something rather than makin up crap, theres something twisted bout you egos that you need to pretend to know everything! and for the top comment that everyone hates where they live, no its wrong, try leaving canada to ye see whats out there, i love where i live and even more now after seeing canada, we always talk about fun things to do and enjoy life, total opposite of the canadian way, i cant wait to hear your comments back since yez are all so insecure!!



I agree. Canada is an overrated, holier-than-thou country that is living off the good reputation its citizens built generations ago. Canadians have an unwarranted pride in their "politeness" but drive on a Canadian road and you'll see nothing but rude, inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour. Both sides of my family moved to Canada from Scotland/France in the late 1700s. I'm a seventh generation Canadian but wish I had the skills and resources to immigrate to a civilized country like Denmark or Norway. Alas, while my tax dollars support a government that lets into its country just about anyone, gives them universal health care, welfare and encourages them to keep their own culture, it spends nothing on helping its own taxpayers get the hell out. On Canada Day 2011, I proudly wear my France t-shirt.



and i have to laugh at you saying your free kick ass health benifits, they are only free until your sick, i was completly robbed with prescriptions the amount i had to pay, you need to find a job to pay into benifits so you can get them subsidised so dont make me laugh that its free!! over hear working or not you get everything including prescriptions for free and you dont need any stupid work benifits so dont try use your only stupid thing you got that you have free kick ass health benifits what a joke

what are you on about im a perminant resident if a health card like anyone else, my canadian relitives pay into work benifits towards paying for there so called free health care prescriptions to get them subsidised and sister in law had to pay to stay in hospital cause she was having a baby of course operations etc are free so you think that makes it free health care!! go learn what your talking about before you speak, canadas a dump full of lies and sneaky ways of putting things accross



I have lived in several countries in Europe, and Canada, and none is perfect, all have different problems. I don't hate any country, but I don't think this is an appropriate country for me, and I should have been happy where I was, and not interested in moving to Canada, hoping to make more money and have more things.

It is too cold, 12 months of the year. The summer is colder than winter indoors, and extreme temperature changes due to the air conditioners. I have to wear winter clothes (including a large winter jacket all day, and minimum two or three pairs of pants) in the office where I work. I know not everyone is as cold as me, I am a slim mediterranean person.
Many people are jealous.

At work, 90% of my colleagues do everything possible to avoid sharing helpful information with each other, all trying not only to do their best job, not only to be the best, but also doing what they can to impede upon the work of their colleagues. I have heard many times several colleagues telephone a manager to report discrepancies in other colleagues work, instead of speaking directly to each other. Always trying to be the friend of the manager. Colleagues less than 30 years old talking about blood pressure. Obligatory meetings VERY often at least 80% of the meeting is about Harry Potter or some novels (fiction, not litterature) I would rather not hear about.

The people are not solidary, the company makes a meeting and says, as of today, you will be required to do more work for less money. And all the colleagues go to talk about this with the bosses, as if they are very passionate about the company's business, and just looking to work more hours for less money to help the business. 

The food is all imported. Fruit in my country was sweet; here in Canada, fruit is sour, also expensive. You can buy frozen or dried fruits, and often I actually watch my colleagues eat fruit out of a can. 

Health care? This is a good place to be if one is disabled or requires surguries or experiencing medical problems. There is no health care for those in good health, who exercise and are not overweight. Dentist, eye care..... this is not "free health care."
There are incentives for companies to hire disabled people to work instead of non disabled people. Sorry, should companies not hire the person who can do the best job and is most qualified? 

Everything is expensive, bad food, bad nightlife, bad weather, bad health care - for healthy and in shape people. I pay so much money in taxes, and so much money for every purchase, food I wouldn't want to eat.

The people, sorry, not only are they not very... beautiful... they are also not very nice or open! When I went out with some "friends" I met, who actually like to dance, I accepted to dance with people I didnt know who invited me to dance, and after, the "friends" told me, I should not accept to dance with people who are not good looking, too old, not well dressed enough... As if they themselves are good looking! I thought if the person inviting me too dance is not creepy or inappropriate or something, I can accept to dance a 3 minute song with this person, rather than to be rude or hurt their feelings?! 

Oh, and, for most Canadians, "going out" means drinking beer, getting totally drunk, no dancing, just sitting and drinking alcohol. I drink a little alcohol when I go out - a little - for me fun is not sitting for hours drinking beer and funny thing is not seeing my friend vomiting!

The obese people are never nice to me here. By the way, the people are very super-size, some overweight, some just very large and tall, which I hear is from hormones in the dairy and meat here? I WAS an average height person where I am from, here I am little.
Canada IS a beautiful country, despite the weather and food, and could be quite nice if there were a nice culture? I suffer to hear this language every day, all the time swearing, and even worse, words such as, "friggin'". But, the people are politically correct!

Maybe this is the worst part of life in Canada, the culture (lack of) and the people. Almost no one knows anything about geography or history or current affairs, outside of what concerns North America. Here, we are very far away, and very isolated, from the rest of the world, it is not the people's fault for their education and what they know.

People care about making money and buying things, and job titles. 
Wearing shoes made for athletes when one is not an athlete, even is seriously obese? Really there is hardly any style here, oh and whenever I went out in the evenings, I see the girls dressed in sandals, very short skirts, sleevless shirts, not that this is always vulgar, but in -20 degrees? And the overweight people seem to prefer this look most of all. Why?

Okay, I can advise to come here if you like the things I mentioned above, or if this suits you. Or else, stay where you are, unless there is a war in your country, or you are disabled or seriously ill, then you can enjoy the benefits of welfare forever, and free education special people, and have opportunities you wouldn't in most developed countries. 
If you are an educated person in your country, you might come here and find more money, but you will not find a higher quality of life.



I HATE CANADA TOO...IM FROM DUBAI JUST MOVED HERE 4 MONTHS AGO...I THINK PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE ARE WASTING THEIR LIVES..WHERE I COME FROM PEOPLE GO OUT AND HAVE FUN THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS THERE ARE RESTRAUNTS OPEN THERE ARE PLACES TO GO..CANADA IS LIKE A LIVING HELL..ITS COLD ALL YEAR LONG THE SO CALLED SUMMER IS A BIT COLD AS WELL...THE LEGAL AGE IS 19 WTF? WHO DOES THAT? ITS SUPPOSED TO BE 18 OR 21 BUT 19? AND DRIVERS LICENSE? YU GET YOUR G1 AND DEN WAIT 1 WHOLE YEAR TO GET YOUR G2? AND THEN COMES SOME OTHER CRAP CALLED G? WHY CANT LICENSING BE JUST A SIMPLE LICENSE WHY 3 TYPES AND WAIT PEIOD OF SO F***** LONG!! THENNN!! IT GETS DARK AT 5 IN THE EVENING? WTF? ANDDD YU CANT HAVE A MOTORCYCLE HERE? CUZ YU CAN ONLY RIDE IT FOR 4 MONTHS...? I LOOK DOWN THE STREET PEOPLE ARE ALL IN THEIR FRIGGIN HOUSES ITS DARK OUTSIDE AND ALL YU CAN SEE IS THE TV LIGHT FLASHING IN EVERYONE'S HOMES..SOMETIME I DONT BLAME THEM BECAUSE WHAT IS ONE SUPPOSED TO DO IN AN AWFUL PLACE LIKE THIS? THIS LAND IS HELL ITS A WASTE ON THE EARTH...I WISH I COULD GO BACK BUT IM KINDA STUCK WITH NO WAY OUT FOR A WHILE...DAMNN I PITY PEOPLE WHO HAVE GROWN UP HERE...THEY SURE HAVENT SEEN THE REAL 'LIFE' ........

Very true... Thank you for feeling my pain...really thanks..



I should add that I will spend the rest of my days on earth warning would be immigrants to Canada NOT to consider it under ANY circumstances. It is POISON for your life and your future. Sure VISIT (it is very very beautiful) but do NOT under any circumstances consider WASTING your life here because that IS what it will turn into : a WASTING of your life and the lives of your children. BE WARNED. Its either the US or Australia if you want a chance to make something of your life. Here you are only wanted as fodder for some $9 per hour service job (ha ha the service is unsmiling and LOUSY here anyway) not for your actual SKILLS and talents. Set up a business? NO WAY - taxes, red tape, INSURANCE will ensure that it is MUCH MUCH HARDER than both the US and Australia.

Please, please listen to me - so many immigrants go home again - I even know a guy from India who is doing so and I have heard of others. But Canadians don't talk about that do they. 

My wife and I now call Canada NO CAN DO A DA because of its INEVITABLE way of ALWAYS making everything difficult and covered in red tape.
Finally what a JOKE that your public servants get paid SO MUCH when ordinary wages are SO low. 
If it wasn't so tragic you'd laugh.
Anyway Canada's government debt - it is UNBELIEVABLY high - will absolutely guarantee that this nation becomes the Mexico of the north (or Mexisnow as we call it ) within the next 10-15 years. Watch and weep. 
CANADA : YOU SUCK !!!



It's interesting that you talk about how immigrants should go home again. All I can say is...at least they were able to get in!!

I am a Canadian-born, Canadian citizen, who has been totally betrayed by my own country, because the government decided that my husband, who was here on an extended work visa, should leave the country, even though he and I met and married here, and have two children. We filled out the forms, but it was not enough to let him stay, and now he has been waiting over five years to get back. 

The government doesn't care that our youngest child has a medical condition and gets regular treatments at Children's Hospital. Despite our pleas, they just keep saying no, and delaying my husband's re-entry over and over. I am so angry with Canada because it has betrayed three of its citizens: myself AND our two children, who don't have the chance to have their daddy be a part of their lives as they grow up. 

I am so angry at my country that I no longer want to be identified as a Canadian. On online profiles I have changed my status to another nationality or nothing at all.
By the way, Aussie888, are you going to stay in Canada, or have you thought of returning to Australia? My mum is from Melbourne and I've been there a few times. It is a beautiful country.


You are ungry for the right reasons, and that is healthy..

I hear about stuff like this all the time. Good luck! Canada is SO stupid.



when a canadian friend came over here they broke there leg without insurence and was fixed up for free, the stay in hospital was free and the prescriptions where free, that is free health care!! i dont know how canadians pay insurence to get prescriptions subsidised, pay full dental price unless subsidised, pay for the stay in hospital but get the operations free and run around thinking the have great free health benifits, excuse me i cant stop laughing
and answer this, i know canada is full of emmigrants but if someones born in canada and grow up in canada they are canadian right? so why does every canadian whos born and grows up there say they are some other nationality? if canadas something to be proud of they would be saying they are canadian!! i dont know why yous diss the USA they are a great place and its just jealousy and insecurity you arent comfortable enough with yoursleves cause you have nothing to be proud of



Know where you're coming from Aussie. I lived in Toronto for a miserably long year. Service is a joke, one time we asked for two burgers, was given three and then the server refused to acknowledge she could have made a mistake! I questioned a price in a store and was made to feel like I had just abused her! Give me a break! Fair dinkum. Sure Australia has issues, every western country does (probably every country in the world!) but we are NICE, FRIENDLY people as a whole. Here we talk to others waiting in line as a way to pass time and be friendly. Can't do that in Canada! I found the men were polite, the women toxic pretty well universally. The coffee - what is this hype about Tim Hortons????? Must be a cultural thing. I can't taste coffee at all!! Of course my OH is Canadian and here in Australia he thinks here everything sucks and everything is so much better there. Yeah right. It is the old rose coloured glasses thing, he still remembers the "old days". Houses are cheaper there. That's the only upside. The weather is appalling, the people rude (women), the laws to immigrate a joke....I can't work for two years, or learn anything if I moved there - what the??? Here my OH could work straight away and we are not forced to retire if we don't want to. I know we are in a better place here. You'll notice a massive breath of fresh air when you land back here, the customs people are even friendly and laconic! Don't you miss that! You'll be right mate, don't lose your sense of humour. Remember they are the ones who have the problem not you. I am so grateful I am an Australian now and that we live here.



you dont know what im talking about? my friend went to vancouver for a year, only could last 6 months, she said it was back in time and the people couldnt spell fun they are socially dead, instead of fun yez work work work you are like robots wasting your lives for fun, and besides prescriptions you have to pay to stay in hospital the operations are just free so really your health care is free until your sick, try leaving canada to you see any emmigrant ive been talking to wish they never went there now they are stuck in low paid jobs in this land of oppertunity and cant afford to leave and im talking about countless nationalities even ones from what we would call 3rd world countries, canadas the biggest waste of your life and i feel sorry yous will never get the most out of it, no morals and normal to cheat on your spouses too, sneaky and scammers, just be nice looking tips, y should we pay tips its your bosses employ you, ye pay over the top for a pint in the first place then expect to tip ontop of that, your bosses if charging that can obviously afford to pay decent wage instead of gurning at the customers for not paying extra just cause of this fake actor that pretends that they are actually nice people, the country makes me so angey, biggest waste of 15 months of my life i want to pretend it doesnt exist



Thanks for that comment Canuck.....I agree with your comment....my experience is mostly based on living in this rat hole known as Toronto. Actually even once you get into the country side in Ontario the people are much friendlier and seem happier too. One thing is NOT in doubt: Canada is probably THE most beautiful country in the world. Australia, where I come from, can be awesome but Canada is still more amazing in my view. Indeed that is WHY I would like to stay here. 

Canada deserves better from its government, its public service and its institutions though. You guys get taxed at every turn - it is paralysing! But as you can read my biggest beef is "no Canadian experience" which I think is just a kind of hyper parochialism or even disguised racism. It's tantamount to saying "where you come from is second rate". Or third rate. Apparently even Americans get it which is just so bizarre! Trust me in Australia those words ("you don't have Australian experience") are not used and never heard.

BUT believe me I am comforted by the thought that everyone else in Canada loathes Toronto too (and maybe Ottawa from what I can tell?). 

I do think Canada Immigration misrepresents in a really negligent way how "valued" you will be here as an immigrant because of your experience and education (which is WHY you get the points to come to Canada in the first place). This unadvertised reality is then compounded unofficially by the relentless use if "I'm sorry, but you have no Canadian experience". You guys have THE most qualified and intelligent taxi drivers in the world as a result! Also THE most frustrated and despairing! 

Like I said before Canada DESERVES better than this - you are short changing yourselves too by just ignoring the talent of these immigrants - you turn them from being potential "movers and shakers" to frustrated low income drains on your economy - many of whom just pack up and go home again. That is just NOT smart at all from anyones point of view.
Canada could be a much greater country than it is - look at your military for example - just fantastic. But then compare your military with the City of Toronto (as an organization)....yep....many of your institutions here are sound asleep at the wheel and racking up debt to boot.



I lived in Canada 2 years now an I HATE IT, an absolutely fucked up country. I wish to get my citizenship and will never show up again here EVER.



The following links are to other blogs that also hate Toronto and Canada
hxxp://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-toronto-is-the-worst-city-in-north-america-for-men
hxxp://www.thegridto.com/city/sexuality/why-is-it-so-hard-to-hook-up-in-toronto/
hxxp://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Canada&city=Toronto
hxxp://www.nowtoronto.com/lifestyle/story.cfm?content=173613
hxxp://www.torontolife.com/informer/features/2011/05/04/welcome-to-toronto-the-rude/
hxxp://deadliestwarriors.blogspot.ca/2011/01/why-toronto-sucks.html
hxxp://www.returnofkings.com/19293/why-i-moved-from-toronto-to-montreal
hxxp://landlopers.com/2013/07/22/visit-toronto/
hxxp://isitnormal.com/story/hate-canada-2113/
hxxp://livinginthedeadcity.weebly.com/
hxxp://tomenunite.blogspot.ca/
hxxp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Toronto
hxxp://www.citynews.ca/2013/04/16/the-inside-story-mens-rights-group-causes-controversy-at-u-of-t/
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otZVhqDVlgk

Whoever hates Canada, you are not alone. I have been living in this shithole for eleven years and are planning to leave in several years. I had terrible experience in Canada. Here is my list of reasons:

#1)Fifty percent of it's people are unfriendly and disrespectful
Canada, as one of the most well-educated countries in the world, has that much unfriendly and disrespectful people. That is a high percentage. Almost everyone pretends to be respectful in front of you, but they are ignorant behind you. This is what the true Canadians are, especially Canadian Asians. 

#2)Poor justice system
This is a pretty serious one when it comes to defending your own self and property. You are likely to get charged for resisting physically from someone hurting or robbing you.

#3)Is there a meaning of being Canadian? 
Why do you call yourself a Canadian? What is the purpose of it? Does Canada even have its own culture? Why are you proud of being a citizen of huge freezing shithole? I am sure most Canadians can't respond to these questions. To me, being Canadian means no dignity.

#4)Freedom
When you compare Canada with another country like USA. You will notice how not free Canada is. They expect everyone of us to live our lives the same fucking way. So living in Canada we really don't have lots of choices. 

#5)Lifestyle
number one lifestyle would be live-to-work. All Canadians do is work to pay off huge amount of debt they own. Lots of them don't live enjoyably. Number two would be hockey, weed and alcohol. they do these activities repeatedly. 

#6)Weather
This is what makes the population small and the country boring. Freezing temperatures means no one is going to live here. Winter activities only means no other activity. As I mentioned in #5, people repeat what they always do.



I've came across this thread while coming to the realization at young age Canada does not offer great opportunities as advertised to immigrants in their respective countries.
Canadians under 25 like myself, have become very saddened that our skills are going to waste. For an exp. I have education in context of CJS as well as self-educated in computer programming which is apparently in demand here... without luck I have traveled from east to west looking for stable jobs and can tell you this in my 6 years of doing this.. if you want good money you will work blue collar jobs like ones in AB in which you'll be away from you family weeks on end and now in 2015 you'll be lucky to find these. 

In Ontario the biggest areas of employment are retail & manufacturing (was) along with your construction, retail being around min wage (11$) ON, construction($15) & man.(11-19) I have also noticed that immigrants work particularly hard here and do not get good jobs most jobs are precarious and they do not deserve this especially after paying 10k to come here and essentially are lied to by CIS. My advice if you are a immigrant is to live on basics, never take a loan out here & most importantly save all your money and use the dollar to your advantage in your home country. Some Canadians are finally catching on the dollar stretches far and are enjoying exceptional lives in South America/Caribbean. Canada is unique in the sense you can go away for a few months and come back and be full of entrepreneurism and you feel it drift away over the passing months and than finally accepting the dream or excitement is crushed, I don't really know how this came to be but I suspect the cold people and laws everywhere really discourages your happiness. Canada is designed that you wake-up go to work have a crappy lunch get fat have health problems come home take meds. and pretend your happy, this unfortunately is life for most as I see friends that are Canadians & immigrants consumed by depression and a debt trap that strangles their soul.

To any Canadian reading this and shaking their head thinking I have betrayed my country this is simply not true; I've travelled far and wide & almost every single province and know this country well, local labor markets, education, people etc. Canadians trusted sense in this country is skewed by working class mentality which unfortunately do not have the openness to explore the world or accept other foreign cultural values that would benefit spirituality & health, but instead we poke away at out lives in Canada angry at our outcome of debt and defend our country by becoming defensive of our ways and rationalizing lies in our head that this is the best way, it is no;t it's a life of frustration and the end result is sadness and physical illnesses with no family connections. 

To immigrants; you would much be better off coming here in the summer months working your butts off and save everything, do not bring a whole family you will sink. Come here with a time-frame 1 yr, 5 yr etc. stick to that make monthly saving goals do not keep up with Canadians in respect to cars houses new things etc. this is all borrowed happiness(bank) You will do well if you work and keep your head down and remember this is not your future, use the dollar back home for leverage, you will live like kings DO NOT tell anyone your plans you will experience envy like no other.

For everyone else who is still shaking their head I have nothing to teach you and for that reason you should carry our your false sense of happiness in slave land as you will never experience the sense of freedom that many do eventually experience after realization this is a pyramid game, its kind of like that movie the Island... but you should also know that once oil has crashed completely which it will within a few decades the economy will have no backbone and will be forced to evolve with jobs disappearing in 2015 due to petro prices currently low and work being outsourced and job security becoming a fantasy along with the approaching automization society I can only hope you will listen and understand power and bargaining power is shifting, thanks for the read.



Well said Aussies, well said. I do agree with your points very much. Although throughout my experience out of Ontario i found and interesting point. The rest of Canada veiws Ontario as jerks and the lest like what is supposed to be Canadian culture. Toronto is a dirty place there of course you will find the most immigrants because Toronto is the place where people think they can make it. I urge you, if you have not already to experience the rest of Canada, the east and west coast provinces are beautiful and different from Ontario the people are nice and there way of living is very relaxed, not go go go like Ontario or in that case Toronto.



west coast is full of pretentious wanna be hippie environmentalists who smoke weed and think they are so great because they live by the ocean. the only thing that is interesting or has any character at all in canada are the native americans...that they have managed to live so long under canadian rule and even, in some cases, thrive is a miracle!



i dunno why that posted half the 2nd message again, just other points on how canadas impossible to like, crap weather, everythings a scam, the people are socially dead (unless they are looking tips the pretend to be nice so you will pay them a fortune and arent happy no matter what you give them they think they deserve a load of tip just for being human!! the men are too intouch with there feminie side, they have low self esteem and are insecure!! no work life balance, no days off your first year at work and a miserable 10days every year after!! too much expected off you,frown at other people as if they arent living there lives right if they choose to have fun rather than work work work even on their weekends off!! boring athmosphere, everything looks the same so its boring to look at!! stupid people that think canadas the best place ever even though they have never left it! what a shitty exsistance to live in canada

i am permenant resident with same health card as a canadian citizen. all health care has to be paid for apart from the actual operation, stay in hospital and prescriptions and dental care all must be paid for unless you have insurence from work benifits or a private firm. free health care where i come from means wheather working or not without any need for insurence, free prescriptions, free stay in hospital, free operations, subsidised dental care or if unemployed free

and we have free health care too just incase you wonder why i said that
i wouldnt have needed to use the so called 'universal' health care system over there but the place was so terrible and boring that i needed anti anxiety medication to cope but i am back to normal now that i am out of it 6 months, thankfuly i had the chance to get out of there unlike so many other people from all nationalities that are stuck and want out, if canadians where real happy there why does everything always strike, everytime you go to do something or turn on the news theres a strike, you dont strike if lifes good



I would rather live under a fucking bridge or be serving a life sentence in a jail in any place in South America than to live in Canada. What a fucking cold and boring place... I HATE EVERY MINUTE I LIVE IN THIS SHIT HOLE



Canada is just a psuedo-country... most people here are depressed and suicidal .... This nation is spiritual death.

I just meet a canadian hairstylist who didn't kwnow where Chile was?
I also met an RCMP drinking ayahuasca in Peru because He didn't find in Canada adequate health care to deal PTSD.



It's true what Aussie is saying. Canadians in general are scared of competition when it comes to food and department stores and fast food. They think in terms of hatred to anything American because they see how good we have it at so little effort that we put into it. It's called brotherhood and sisterhood. That's why we in the States have our own cultures because we welcome everyone from around the world. Yes, we have stupid hateful people too but on average Canadians have about 90% stupid hateful people basing their hatred on lies and plain ignorance. Americans are 100% more polite than Canadians and we have way more fun and we don't have to beg our government to open up amusement parks or water parks or whatever that allows us to have a great time. I lived in Alberta and that is a shit hole like no other place I ever lived in the States. L.A. people always had a smile and said good morning and good day. In Calgary, everyone is always uptight about something, never smiling, never says hi or good morning. They take your money at the stores with a frown. People in Calgary are miserable. I saw it in traffic and in restaurants and at gas station and at the parks which by the way are so freaking boring. the zoo in Calgary is a boring uneventful sobering look at what the city has to offer and it's nothing. You have to pay for every single thing you do that is unless looking at trees is a great pass time or traffic. It's an old lady city for old folks that go to die like elephants in the wild. Canada is very boring and everyone I ever ran into except for a few and I mean very few were very unhappy in their demeanor. Yes Canada sucks!



Everything you state is absolutely correct. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, just giving you props for getting it all so right. Btw, the anti-americanisms that are so common in Canada I regard as an on-going tiff between two kindred people that started so long ago, and for reasons so long forgotten. A bunch of people had a revolution, another bunch of the same ethnicity didn't want to join, animosity ensues. Wash, rinse, and repeat ad nauseum. I don't come from anglosaxon stock, so I have zero contempt for the USA. Everything in the USA is so much better than this mess, so I'm glad you're finally home where you should be.



By the way, Canada is not a safe place to live and it's health insurance they claim to praise is not a good health benefit not when you have to be put on a waiting list to get a cat scan and wait for 3 to 4 month to find out how your cancer is progressing. And wait 2 to 3 weeks for a simple blood test. Referrals to see a specialist is like pulling teeth and the wait to see one is fuck!ng ridiculous. Seen it happen first hand because my girlfriend is Canadian and she waited 6 months to see a specialist about her female problems. For a little over 6 months she had to endure pain in her abdomen because of the system they have in Canada. By the time she seen a specialist she had to be rushed in to have an operation to get rid of the toxic cyst that was the size of a golf ball on her ovary and they had to do two operations because the surgeon didn't remove all the cyst like he was supposed to. My guess he was drunk when he did it. She is moving to the States when her paper work goes through which they will. She is so fed up with the hatred of Canadians and the government that is 50 years behind the world!



I was born in Canada and lived here all my life. My parents immigrated here unfortunately and ive been trying to get out of here all my life. I agree with so many things all you ppl have been saying, Canadians always seem to bash American's and I find that so funny because they are both similar. Im ashamed to say im Canadian but proud to say my blood isn't , and that im not a descendant of you French and English Canadians that mass murdered the native Indians of this country. This place will forever be racist, it was created through racism .


Whenever I hear the word CANADA or hear the national anthem or see the fucking Canadian flag I feel like PUKING



These comments actually gave me some hope. I hate this overly governed, overly priced shit hole. I've lived in Canada my entire life and I have traveled many places. Every time I see the CN tower when I'm coming back I burst into tears because I never want to come back. I lived in Toronto for 4 years and I nearly committed suicide 3 times. My family is dead because of water pollution in Parry Sound and other family members are dead because of hospital fuck ups. I'm self employed and it makes life extremely difficult but I can't be a fucking zombie like everyone else or listen to ego maniacs every day of my life. I don't own a television because its all media driven paranoia tactics and the programs are designed for people who can't believe you can swear on a prime time show or get kicks at watching how messed up other peoples lives are and think their own innately boring life is the best because it's the safest. If you have any kind of a personality do not come here! You can't smile, or have a good time because bar owners/restaurant owners think you're drunk or on drugs when you're completely sober, you can't smile or laugh or have a decent well rounded opinion. Don't talk back to anyone even if you're just pointing out how ridiculously illogical they are, they won't get it they just want to fight you because that's how sports taught them to deal with confrontations. I'm a bit of hypocrite there because if you try to fight me I won't back down but only after I verbally tie your brain into a knot and you don't know the fucking alphabet anymore. Our education system is terrible, there are very few good teachers in every school. Just robot teachers spitting out what they were told, not many of them challenge kids and share actual knowledge or embrace it when a child shows some spirit. The education system is designed to create robot children, don't think outside the box that will get you suspended. Then you'll grow into the same monotonous producing slave, product consuming adult. Everyone is extremely clicky, like no one every leaves high school and this is true all the way through to the politicians. They tear each other up like they are posting scanned photos up in the high school hallways and trying to get the popular group to like them. There are more redeeming verses and ideologies written on bathroom walls by junkies than anything our politicians have stated.

Sorry if that was too much ranting but I needed to get some of it of my chest and I'm relieved and comforted that I am not the only one who hates it here. I couldn't do it but this country makes me understand why people kill other people sometimes. I am stuck right now trying to make enough so I can go live simpler somewhere else where people actually enjoy life, friends and communities. It's ridiculous irony within happenstance but another way out has not presented itself to me yet. Believe me I have tried to enjoy life here and meet nice people but it has come to a stale end so my search will continue elsewhere.



That is it in a nutshell...Americans do not sit around and obsess about Canada. In all the years I live in the US I can't remember anyone talking bad about Canada. You have to move here to get a firm grip...on how much of a loser country Canada really is. I really hate this place (and I know...if I don't like it leave). Well why don't you Canadians try treating people with respect. What a bunch of hypocritical liars you Canadians are... I spend my pension from another country here and I m still treated like garbage.



and YES, I will be so so so so glad to see the last of Toronto!! I do not care one bit that we have to uproot ourselves, move a thousand kms away and take our children out of school to ESCAPE the frustration and WASTING that is part and parcel of being an immigrant in Toronto. We want so much to contribute to this country - to be successful - and not be made to feel like we are third rate and basically unwanted (which is what Toronto seems to do to immigrants). SO someone far away has given us that CHANCE to escape: GOD LOVE THEM. Maybe Canuck is right...its just a Toronto issue...not a Canada issue. I am more than willing to HOPE that he is right and I am very keen to give the rest of Canada the benefit of the doubt.


Good luck Aussie888, hope you have far more success in another province. I agree Canada is beautiful (but not that different to New Zealand). In some ways I often wish I had brought my children up there. Actually do believe it is a better place to rear a family, they seem to have it more together there as far as family/community values go and the youth are not as far out of control as I feel they are here.

I can see that immigrants are treated with suspicion, no matter what country they originated from, but they should be giving all who they allowed into their country a FAIR GO. Comparing countries and cultures, Australia and Canada are strikingly similar in so many ways which should be a pointer for us not treated with suspicion and contempt and the attitude we are just there to take jobs from Canadians. If our Government here offers Canadians the chance to work immediately (without any bias or restriction) surely theirs could reciprocate? 

On the west coast we saw many Aussies working but probably more on a working visa I'd guess.
Toronto is not an attractive city at all. You cannot compare it to Sydney which is stunning. Country towns in Ontario to me all look grey and dull, here they have verandahs and parks in all (except maybe the tiny ones)and people are laid back, friendly. When my OH first came here a guy said "G'day mate how are you going" in a parking lot. They don't do that i Canada. What? Openly friendly to a stranger? My OH was stunned! 

Living there for a year just made me appreciate here more. People can make or break a place and I like the openness here,the non-judgmental nature of people and none of this nice superficially while they try to find a way to destroy your happiness behind your back.
Authorities here are better to deal with also.

They have no A Current Affair to go to when things go wrong (joke!)
Good luck, I hope you find you piece of Canadian paradise Aussie888. If not there is always a place here for you.



montana is like that...people openly friendly and approachable. funny, with a sense of a larger world. canada is oppressive and small-minded no matter where you go....its the culture that has been cultivate and in my honest opinion it has to do with all the racism and sexual abuse here. they dont even have a public sex offenders registry....why? probably because the main offenders are white canadian business men and politicians and priests and related to law and justice depts. why else have a closed registry? at least in the USA i can check any state any time in any neighborhood to see if there are predators i should know about. canada protects racists and pedophiles...tom flanagan publicly defended child pornography, he was harper's advisor. ....im telling ya, people....its a sick sick society.



Thanks so much....well I think I am learning that not all of Canada is like Toronto....well not many cities on earth could be as drab and dirty if they tried...there is no PRIDE in this city...the rubbish dropped EVERYWHERE is testament to that fact! But above all the people here are UN FRIENDLY....not so once you get well away....especially in the north east. Coming back here from north east (where we are going to live) confirms absolutely in my mind that (a) this city is a garbage dump and (b) the majority of people here are cheerless and miserable because life is so hard:....lousy wages (so many people work 2 or even 3 jobs just to survive)...no holidays unless you call 2 weeks a year a "holiday"...AND despite what they think SHIT AND VERY SLOW HOUSE health care.....and so EXPENSIVE relative to what people earn!!! I actually think Sydney may be cheaper despite the incredibly expensive housing....people just earn so much more back home...yes it gets swallowed up in a mortgage but I will think people live better than in Povronto....or was that Povertyronto?
And you have no idea how much cheaper houses are in the north east....real pubs too not just sterile plastic "Sports Bars"...and yes people actually talk about politics and DEBATE it...in Toronto they just seem to accept what is dished out to them meekly. Yes the wages are still lousy (well not for my wife luckily) but at least the money goes somewhere....here my wage would not even go close to paying the RENT for THE DUMP we live in! 
Yep Australia is a great place and so I suspect may a good deal of the rest of Canada.....but Toronto....Toronto you can keep.
As one comedian here put it: "Welcome to Toronto - gateway to Hamilton Ontario!".
Best wishes and good luck hey!


sorry a few typos there...I'll let you guess where...but I should also state when I say "the north east" I do not mean north east Ontario...I mean the glorious Maritimes....Atlantic Canada.....to be sure, to be sure, it feels OK to a wild Colonial Boy like me of Irish background!

and by the way I DO agree that the South Island of NZ from what I have seen is so far THE most beautiful place on earth I personally have seen.....don't know the North Island well and have not travelled all over Canada yet.....yes NZ is about as good as it gets that is for sure! Jeez and I'm an aussie saying that !!



Saw this comment and couldn't resist. I am a Kiwi stuck in Ontario. I could be here all day listing the things wrong with this place !! but the 9 months of winter and the little bags of dog sh!t left all over the footpaths are up near the top. Cant wait to get out. Even my kids hate it here. Anyhow, Yes I have seen nothing here that compares with Sth Island NZ. A few lakes that you can barely access if you don't have a 'cottage' and some trees !! Just for the record 'straya' is also pretty awesome, I have family there ( ok, what self respecting kiwi dosnt have family in Oz) and miss being able to hop over the ditch for a bit of winter sunshine. 14 weeks to go and I am outta here. Wish we could get into USA but we can't. So We are heading back down under where as shocking it might seem to some, I might even get a pleasant hello and even a smile when I return.



@: AUSSIE888 :nope. its a canada issue. its the canadian ethos...you will find it all across the country.



I am Canadian, born in Nova scotia. First @ AUSSIE888, I aggree with you on our Government lying to get immigrants to move here, my wedding photographer was a chemical engineer from the philippines, and Canada wouldnt let him use his degree here, and expected him to return to school for 2 years!

On the other hand, please dont place all of us under the same umbrella, we are not spineless, to speak out against our extremely corrupt government but dont have a "soapbox" so to speak. As far as Toronto is concerned, I cannot speak for everyone else but on the east people are very friendly. 

As for what nonametoday said, is completely foolish. The british didnt steal Canada from the Indians, thats just our stupid culture letting people believe that garbage! Read a history book, we didnt take anything, A: alot of native people died from small pox from the eastren visitors, and got addicted to fire water and traded "their land" for our booze clothes and farming techniques. They grew dependant on the British and french. The stupid treaty is very small and doesnt have half of the things in it that Native people get. They get an amazing free ride, based on somthing that happened to complete strangers to either side centuries ago. I have to admit I would take alot of the same things if offered to myself, but the bottom line is we will never be even until everyone pulls their own weight.



i live in Toronto and it is shit...I've always thought that the east coast of Canada must be a nice place to live...too bad it's still in Canada or i'd move there



Thanks so much for that feedback, I honestly appreciate it. Look Canada is a beautiful country and it OUGHT to have - DESERVES to have - so much more potential than it does. Yes houses are cheaper here than Sydney BUT the wages are so so so much lower....at best it evens out. I think Sydney sucks by the way. I am not home sick at all. I would like to stay here....but immigrants do NOT get a break. Period. If you call working in a minimum wage job a break - sure we get the chance to do that - but not more. Not without many years of struggle and wasting. Yes I said WASTING, not waiting. Because it WASTES the lives of people with so much potential.

I think the best thing about Australia is we really understand the concept of a FAIR GO. Here they have no clue about such a concept. It is alien in their culture.
The worst thing of all is this "Canadian Experience" excuse to keep people down. That just sucks . I have NEVER EVER even heard anyone in Australia talk about "Australian experience". WE welcome experience form overseas...even look up to it sometimes.



@: John_Doe :Not only Americans don't like Canada...a hell of a lot of Australians hate it to...
Now what? You wanna pull a "your country started off as a nation of convicts"? Nice.



John Doe will never get it. He is part of the liberal left culture that can't except other views. Have you ever noticed the college campuses who invite conservative speaker and then drown them out with name calling. (sledgehammer).

What we have are people so biased by there own opinions- they spin facts to support the views - tell themselves that these facts are real and then can't comprehend why other people don't understand there spun views -so they resort to name calling and character assination.- All along demonstrating their bias without knowing (or caring). 

Same as Hollywood- They all hang out together - no exposure to other views- form opinions, call them facts and use their celebrity media access to blast other people.
Just watch the Oscars. Have you ever thought about a group of professionals who have no shame in promoting themselves and patting themselves on the back in a public forum- as if to say "we did it- so it must be good."
John Doe probably gets his "facts" from Michael Moore and Hollywood movies.


And the CBC- a leftist, state run channel.



He's not a dope. Just a blind liberal who sees things his way- has no room to understand the other side of issues and is stuck living in Canada with the CBC



What about Africville in Nova Scotia?



You know, bigotry comes in many forms. It is my experience that most bigots don't even know they are bigots. They are taught bigotry - somtimes directly and many other times in suttle ways.

In the US, Bigotry existed because it was never discussed in the public form- back then it was the newspapers, today lets just say media. People only heard the local bigots- and never heard opposite views. That changed in The US- that is why the US media had extreme left (liberal), Extreme right, conservative and the center. The media covers all three sides in US- unfortunately if you don't understand the US media then you might only hear one side like the NY Times or LA Times - two powerful, gigantic and largely extreme left media conclomerates. Or maybe you only understand the Christian conservative media outlets. 
In the US, people choose what side of an issue to be on because they have exposure to all sides. This sadly is not as true in other countries.

Canada has been leaning left for many years. It is difficult to find any powerful media outlets in Canada that cover issues completely.
People in Canada get indundated with one sided versions, typically backed up with conjecture and opinions and not facts.

For example, It is okay not to believe in the death penalty. Many Americans are against it too. It is not correct to state that the US is wrong and everyone else is correct without proving something with real facts. That would be no different than stating that Canada is so leniant on criminals and so tolerant on anti-social behavior that to prove it they let Karla Homolka, a serial killer walk the streets less than ten years after her guilty verdict.
The US majority choses to weigh punishment over rehabilitation for heinous crimes. They believe punishment sparks deterence. Some people believe the reverse. There is no evidence in either direction as each side can come up with facts, figures and opinions that bolster their beliefs ...



There is more to it than that, This John Doe guy is an Anti-American- you can blame the media or not in Canada. He says he is not Anti-American - and then he espouses false views = like Americans think all Arabs equate to terrorists. Such utter nonsence- comes from deep rooted Anti- American views.

The US did indeed fund Bin Laden during the cold war to fight off Soviet expansion in Afghanistan during Jimmy Carter's Presidency. 

The US as a world superpower was and still is obligated to protect the world against opression and agression. Canada is not. Decisions made twenty five years ago that helped can sometimes backfire in your face in the future. The world benefited from Soviet Union losing the war in Afghanistan, and soon after collapsing. It is easy to forget the good and point fingers at the bad if someone is uninformed, biased and has deep rooted Anti-American feelings in the first place. Most Anti-American feelings stem from feelings of inadequacy, jealousy and powerlessness.



the canadian set of "morals" consists of the following:

-dont question authority, no matter how corrupt or obviously wrong it is

-dont ask questions that might produce an uncomfortable or inconvenient answer

-never talk about the past unless it is in stereotyped, cliched or whitewashed terms

-always blame the victim

-never have a serious debate about anything important

-always deny anything you know will reflect badly on you

-always deflect criticism and blame it on someone else, preferably americans

-be nice to outsiders who are of a different skin color than yourself, but burn native americans in effigy every chance you get

-never question canadas involvement in israeli state terrorism...blame america but always support us foreign policy no matter how many people die or how illegal it is

-always be a hypocrite whenever the chance emerges to be so

-corrupt your children with your toxic, poisonous, offender opinions and mentality so the cycle is repeated



it's a fact that Canada has more crime than the States...the States only has more murder
you would know this if you werent an ignorant nazi Canadian



@: John_Doe :and how many years have you lived in the USA again? how many jobs have you held there? how many states have you lived in? how many americans have you interfaced with on a daily basis and for how long?

--per capita canadians are among the fattest nations in the world: "One in four adult Canadians and one in 10 children are clinically obese, meaning six million Canadians living with obesity require immediate support in managing and controlling their excess weight." 

--clifford oleson, pig farmer guy, marc lepine or whatever the name of that dude who massacred all those women, that serial killer in saskatchewan who was murdering natives, the rcmp and city police harbor serial killers who are protected by their racist buddies, child predation in canada is epidemic but downplayed by govt (thomas flanagan publicly defended child porn) who no doubt employs some of these serial predators...rina virk was murdered by a gang of white canadian kids in bc...helen betty osborne was raped and brutally murdered by four white guys, whole town knew, everyone ignored the natives trying to seek justice, protecting the white boys....brian sinclair died of sepsis in a canadian hosptial staffed by white people....he sat in the ER for almost 38 hours while they ALL ignored him...i could go on but serial racism produces serial murderers either through direct action or negligence....and white canada produces racists at a phenomenal rate

--according to the UN the murder rate in usa is 4.8 per 100, 000...in canada its 1.6 per 100, 000. now do that math and think about it proportionally....the us is approx 300 million people so a murder rate of 4.8 is actually quite low. canada is 30 million people...yet the murder rate is almost half that of the usa

--same for the violent crimes rates...canada is almost half the rate of the usa but with substantially less of a population.

at the end of the day, canada is a crap country with just as many problems as the usa but with nowhere near as many opportunities and certainly nowhere near as much character, panache, history, independent thinkers, innovators, and generally all round fun interesting people. 

montana has no taxes except on land etc. but you go into a store and something says $1.59 its a $1.59. montana, one state of the union, has more going for it in terms of personality, society, guts, history, character and economy than the entire country of canada.


and just say if ye dont know the answer to something rather than makin up crap, theres something twisted bout you egos that you need to pretend to know everything! and for the top comment that everyoner hates where they live, no its wrong, try leaving canada to ye see whats out there, i love where i live and even more now after seeing canada, we always talk about fun things to do and enjoy life!! im not american im irish

toronto sucks



...Fuck that shit, you can keep the terror , fag, depressed people going nowhere. I'll take America with its economy problems.
Oh btw Canada, how is you dollar stores? That's right, non existent! Everything is $2 or $3 in you dollar stores now! Here in USA, all good name brand shit for $1! Just for an example. 
And the American people, are armed and stand up for there rights if the government fucks with them to hard, they will overthrow them not afraid of a full scale civil war,
While Canadians just bend over! 
Plus the chick put out easier and are hotter here in USA, being the majority. But you metro and homo types don't care about that now do you?


OMG - 6 weeks left in this ish-hole! Off to Sunny California...so long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And haters who will say "Good Riddance" - oh you have no idea!!!


The Canadian national anthem should be amend to - 'God gives our land, glorious UNFREE.'



Most Canadians made me misunderstood Americans & USA. When I go to USA to have a true visit, I have feel that USA Americans are so good & fair to me. I feel shame of listened to so many lies from Canadians.



Living in Canada is a nightmare and many people agree. Is there a place worldwide where there are more white people, who are middle to upper class? A country with less taxes, better people, better culture, better weather, less expensive everything, better education and economic opportunity, and also less boring? I am searching for a new place to call home. I dont want to live in a country infested with stupid liberals and immigrants especially from 3rd world countries. Germany, Australia, UK, Norway, Sweden are all off the list since they are just as bad as Canada, although Canada is much worse than all of them. I just want to live a normal life. With my own culture and own people.

Listen to me white boy, mommy lied when she told you Canada is exclusively YOURS. Now move over cos people have real concerns living in this shithole unlike you whining about skin color.



I am Peruvian live in Shithole Ottawa.
I've lived in Peru Miami UK Texas and sadly I now live in the shithole capital of the world Ottawa.
I dream of returning to my country soon as I can afford UPS to move my belongings to Peru.
I have never met more miserable racist ignorant rednecks than I have in Ottawa. Also my first Landlord was a piece of work and was robbing me he had some workmen in my home they robbed me too , So now in my new apartment I have CCTV & window bars I had several attempts of burglary on my apartment. So now I live in a security fortress . Its sad that all my money has gone on bars and cameras to keep scum away from my shitty apartment. And its not as if I am made of money I am so poor but I fear home invasion . In Canada if you defend yourself you go to jail . Criminals have rights what's that all about. In my country you have carry conceal permits and are allowed lethal force if your life is in danger or if some psycho breaks into your home. I have to return home before I loose my sanity. The people in Ottawa are miserable nasty & ignorant. If you are not retarded into hockey drugs & beer you are not welcome. If you read books and wish to discuss academic subjects like say : Noam Chomsky, History, Politics, World Travel , Science, Shakespeare, Yukio Mishima, The Occult , Richard Dawkins etc Oh boy then they really hate you. To be part of Ottawa you must first be born in Ottawa second be ignorant have no desire to improve yourself . Oh and have no hygiene , the people in Ottawa stink to bo & cigarettes yuck. If you shower everyday and wear clean clothes they give you dirty looks. And the People don't seem to wash their hands after using toilet , hence I never shake hands with these disgusting people. I am truly thankful for air freshner and hand sanitizer busses & toilets stink and are truly disguating germs everywhere yuck .



Canada sucks in a massive way and if you run this site and you deleted my last comment about how much I hate this faggot country of hypocrites and church-bred cunts then fuck you too.



pompous, self-righteous, boorish, hypocritical = white canadian. except for the newfoundlanders...of all the white canadians ive met ONLY the newfoundlanders (and a handful of saskatchewaners) have been sincere, genuine, and approachable. the rest of y'all are uptight, fake, posers.



I lived in Toronto a few years and am glad to be back home in the great US. The Canadian government is so full of themselves- catering to the liberal thinking elite. There are no morals there.
Back home we have a solid government, not perfect but with strong morals. Especially after Clinton left office and President Bush took over. We were lucky that thne Canadian style of liberalism did not completely spill over into the US to elect Al Gore. The country would probably falled down to resemble parts of Canada by now.



@: John_Doe : 75%% of all serial killers are in America. How do you know that?- In America you can find the truth with the all the media outlets
in countries like Canada you can't even legally have a satellite dish to find out the truth, your stuck listening to the CBC and their version. 
Bill Gates is greedy? If you were to have real in formation in Canada available you would find out that since mid 1990's Bill Gates has been the largest Philanthropist in the world.
You should be more informed. It is hard though in Canada.
The US is thinking about building a wall to keep people out - Millions want to come here.
Canada is so non-violent their entire military is smaller than the NYC police force. Canada's version of non-violence is to rely on US for protection- And claim US is bad guy for using their military.
You right there are fat people in US with morals. Skinny people in Canada with none.



and I should add that they are racking up debt and sleeping at the wheel WHILE they tax you at every conceivable opportunity. When will the wash room tax be introduced I wonder? I mean people really NEED to go to the toilet sometimes so why not find some way of taxing that City of Toronto???

Anyway the good news is we are moving on from here in a few months, not back to Australia, but to another Province where my partner has found well paid work. Our savings may not be completely depleted after all !And NO fellow Canadian tax payers, fear not, this aussie immigrant has NOT taken a SINGLE cent of Canadian welfare. Got more respect for myself AND for your country than that!-



here's a solid answer (not that it will make sense to you, you being a canadian):
people hate canada because y'all are racist, greedy, china sellouts, no game--just hang offa uncle sam's coattails, hypocrite, fake, posers.
everyone who visits you comes away with the same impression. 
its YOU...its your culture, your personality, your entire society....youre a nation of child molesting racist in-denial hypocrites who are pompous, boorish, self-inflated with your own perceived "greatness" which is only the run-off from the USA causing delusions of grandeur in you. 
theres nothing original or admirable about you.
youre boring, passive-aggressive, small-minded and stale. youre like stale 60 year old crackers or a has-been comedian who still thinks he has it when he never had it.



You have a shitty government cause you are shitty people living in a frozen feminist hell hole. There's nothing unfair, you got what you deserve. Have a nice day.



In my experience, you totally get what you pay for with free Canadian Health Care.
Mis-diagnosing an absolutely viable pregnancy as a blighted ovum is a BIG NO-NO!!!!

Asking me to take Part 1 of the Integrated Pre-natal Screening test one month early - a BIG NO-NO!!!
Having your OB-GYN tell you that a certain test procedure "is not brain surgery" (after asking her what it entails) - another BIG NO-NO!



The immigrants only came and only stay because their countries are totally unsafe or poverty-stricken. What they gain in safety etc by coming to Canada they most certainly give up in terms of self-worth and contentment. This country invites people in, probably under duress, and then turns around and hates them for not being what a Canadian should be. Make up your mind Canada - either accept who YOU have let in and truly believe what you spout about "celebrating the differences" or shut up and get on with it - you are free to vote and if you vote for a government who is hell bent on multiculturalism then you must expect the consequences of these decisions.


You are right...being in Canada HAS BEEN a waste of time! Glad you agree.



First: A Real Canadian: Is the Native Indian.
Second: There are currently the remaining whatso-called majority "white canadians" who eventually will dissapear by the time, whom their grandfathers immigrated to Canada from Britain and France and hijacked the land with barbarism from Natives.
They consider anyone who is less white, tanned, dark, have an accent is an "immigrant" even if he is a Canadian citizen or been living in Canada since it has existed. 
The current diminishing majority white Canadians thinks anyone who walks on their land is there to share their money and to take advantage of Canada...BS. 
Third: The only category of people who are using the Canadian system, are refugees, social welfare.

Immigrants (first generation Canadians) pay as much taxes as canadians, pay as much towards all services and get trashed in your system and treated like bums.
Immigrants pay very large sums of money to the Canadian Gov to be able to relocate to Canada.

This money is serving existing population of Canada, so immigrants are importing their money to Canada which serves Canadians and Canada. 

Fourth:By far the worse weather on planet earth, the most boring ever.
Fifth: the delusional white Canadians, who think they are the only one. are naturally very aggressive, so unfriendly unlike Americans, Racism is most common, but not with admission, it is practiced secretly knowingly. 

The only time where a new Canadian does not get the vibe of Racism is when he is paying money. Which "me being nice" dissapears right away after they get their money.

Living in Canada, is like living in a big graveyard, for the living.
Because also, dead people do not smile and are emotionless so are they.



I agree with everything here. Except you can say that the money paid by the immigrants is probably going to pay the refugees on welfare and teh unemployed drunk canadians cause I sure as hell aint gettin any money from the government



As an immigrant, I'd like to say that you are right on with your observations and comments.
I've been treated like a second class citizen just because I have a bit of an accent.
In the US I'd never be treated as poorly as I do get treated in Canada.
This nation has never been challanged enough to understand what a develop country should be like..


Canada lacks of visionaries and integrity.

Total agree.


Quotes from: http://isitnormal.com/story/hate-canada-2113/


Note: I made a copy of these comments because anything critical of Canada tends to be scrubbed from the web, and predictably this page was taken down.

I am curious as to whether life got better for the Aussie on the east coast, but knowing Canada as I do I'm going to venture a guess of NO. 

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